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If you’re doing a carnivore experiment, there’s a really good chance that at some point you’ll experience something called oxalate dumping. Here’s everything you need to know about what oxalate dumping is and how to get through it.
What are oxalates, and what does dumping even mean?
Some plants have a toxic defense mechanism compound called oxalic acid, which is a tiny, corrosive acid found in dark leafy greens, nuts and nut butters, sweet potatoes, raspberries, and kiwi fruit.
Your body has to excrete it. It can excrete a certain amount at a time, and stores the rest.
Once you stop consuming oxalate-rich foods, the body gets to work on clearing out oxalate crystals through the urine, skin, and stool.
Your body does this through cycles of oxalate dumping, where you have a short, period of clearing it, followed by feeling back to normal.
Symptoms of Oxalate Dumping
Symptoms vary from person to person, but may include:
- Skin: Rashes, tiny white acne-like pustules, or small oxalate crystals actually being pushed to the surface of the skin
- Urinary: Cloudy urine, bladder and/or kidney tenderness, UTI-like symptoms
- Stool: Burning bowel movements, as if you ate something spicy
- Other: Fatigue, dizziness, cramping, irritability, loss of focus and motivation
How Long Does Oxalate Dumping Last?
Not only can this be uncomfortable, with widely variable symptoms from person to person, but unfortunately, it’s also unpredictable. You don’t know when oxalate dumping is going to hit, how long it’s going to last, or how severe it will be.
Usually, it’s only for a few days, but you never know. If you’re not aware that what you’re experiencing is oxalate dumping, the symptoms can be so unpleasant, you can start to think carnivore isn’t working for you anymore!
On top of all of that, it can take years for the body to fully clear oxalates. And that’s unpredictable, too. It’s impossible to know when the next cycle will hit, or how many cycles it will take until it’s done. Oxalates truly are nasty little buggers!
But, don’t be discouraged! There are things you can do to minimize the side effects.
How to Minimize the Side Effects of Oxalate Dumping
The solution is to help your body ease up on the gas pedal of oxalate dumping. To do this, you add in just enough oxalate-rich foods to slow the rate of dumping, much like a rocket’s thrusters slow its descent as it returns to earth.
This does necessarily mean incorporating some plant foods, but you can do those without (or at least with very little) fiber, and also ones that are less likely to wake up the sugar dragon. In my experience, this means therapeutically incorporating in some black tea and 100% chocolate (i.e. no sweetener, just pure cacao).
Important: don’t let yourself think you have “failed” at carnivore if you do this! You are simply temporarily modifying your carnivore experiment to help support your body.
Best Oxalate Foods for Carnivore
- Black or Green Tea: Regular or decaf, 1-2 cups a day.
- 100% Dark Chocolate: 1-2 squares a day. Or, 90% dark chocolate, if you can moderate!
How Long Oxalate Dumping Lasts
It’s temporary, so don’t worry! It varies from person to person, but as an example, my first oxalate dump lasted 4-5 days.
After it passed, I felt back to my normal highly energetic and motivated carnivore self, and so will you!
Oxalate Dumping Resources
- Sally K. Norton’s article, Oxalate Answers
- Trying Low Oxalates (TLO) Facebook group. Join the main group first, then request to join the “TLO-Carnivore” group.
Hi, Thank you for the article. I’ve been on a carnivore diet for almost a year and half and I’m still oxalate dumping frequently. It’s frequent enough that it seems like it’s happening everyday. It just seems they are coming out of my skin all time and I have to scale them off my teeth and gums frequently. My 3 1/2 year old also has oxalate toxicity and is dumping and has the same symptoms. We haven’t consumed anything to halt the dumping because we really want to get them out. Our digestion oxalate dumping symptoms have dramatically improved which is nice. My Mom also has oxalate toxicity but, her oxalate dumping symptoms are now very mild. Have you been oxalate dumping for a long time? Have your dumping symptoms reduced? Do you consume anything to halt your symptoms?
Hi Jessica! Sorry to hear about your oxalate dumping struggles! If you’re not already, I would recommend joining the Facebook group called TLO (Trying Low Oxalates), which might be helpful to you as you’re looking for information that might get you some relief. It seemed that my oxalate dumping would occur for 3-5 days at a time, maybe once every 2-3 weeks. Symptoms definitely reduced after a few months. I was doing black tea and some 100% dark chocolate to help abate the symptoms but it’s hard to tell how much, if at all, it helped. I found it helpful to just remember that it was temporary and that I would feel good again soon! Good luck!
Hi,
Thank you for the suggestion. I don’t have FB account but, I’ll consider it to join the oxalate group.
Jessica
To be honest, I wouldn’t recommend joining Facebook just for the group. Personally I just quit Facebook myself. 🙂 I think you can find all the information you need online, starting with Sally Norton’s website: https://sallyknorton.com/symptoms/
Jessica, check out the facebookgroup “trying low oxalate” 🙂
Hey Jessica I have similar issues. Did you ever make a fb to join that group?? The last time I dropped my oxalate it took me around a year to feel better. Just think it would be nice to share info and see if we can help each other through this crap. I believe my body is saturated with oxalate and I have evidence. Hope to hear from you.
Thank for this, very helpful. I’m 2 months into carnivore and the only plant “foods” I still consume are coffee and pure cocoa with butter. Noticed today how my receding appetite for meat probably has something to do with this…
Anyway, last week I developed a very itchy rash around the hairline on the nape of my neck and my chest. Was confounded about it and my doctor wrote it off as stress-induced dermatitis — which, though my mom had it severely as a child, I’ve never experienced in this form before, ever. So I’m happy to have this possible explanation for it and will keep the cocoa for now — I couldn’t yet bring myself to drop it yet, and now I see there may be good reason for that.
Let me know how it goes! A lot is just experimenting and listening to your body. Good luck!
Curious if you have send anyone report of fever and painful sore throat during dumping?
Personally I haven’t seen anyone mention that, but fever and sore throat are common symptoms of fighting a viral or bacterial infection rather than oxalates (which tends to be more things like fatigue, rash, other skin issues). I would definitely check with your doctor just to make sure.
I just saw this post, we’re new to learning about helping my boys with our oxolate issues. I’m not on facebook either, I found they have different platforms, Trying low oxolate group is also on groups.io.
I heard they have another group on yahoo, I’m not sure if yahoo is still up to date?
Thank you for the information; hopefully it will be helpful to others who aren’t on Facebook but still want to be in TLO groups online.
I have been experiencing dusting of a powderlike substance on my face and scalp. Feels gritty. Especially gathers in eyebrows and eyelashes. Also itching – especially on abdomen/torso. Could this be oxalate dumping? Eating mostly carnivore/low keto.
What I don’t understand is why Chadra Piedra or “stonebreaker” is not recommended. It is supposed to negate oxalate crystals? Does anyone have any more information on this product? You can use it to tear down gall stones and kidney stones, why not the very crystals that cause these to occur in the first place?